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(Timur, 2013.10.16 07:40)

I have article (on English) about common historical connections of hungarian and kazakhs. If you interesting I can provide it. Unfortunately, I can`t find your e-mail. Thank you in advance!

Re: manager4you@mail.ru

(leszerelt, 2013.10.22 17:01)

Dear Timur,

Our (free) magyar-megmaradas.eoldal.hu website has reached its content limit. Please visit our sister site, http://magyarmegmaradasert.hu where registered users can send in and in some cases even upload articles directly.

Best regards,
leszerelt

BOcsánat

(Anonymus Hungarus, 2012.11.06 17:29)

Bocsánat, nem láttam,hogy már elküldte, sz@r a gépem

Jó lett a honlap!

(Anonymus Hungarus, 2012.11.06 17:28)

Gratulálok kedves szerkesztőúr!
Nagyon szép lett, és mindent megtalálok benne az igazi magyar származásról. Örülök, hogy nem csak én foglalkozok a turáni testvériséggel és a magyarok származásával, hagyományával(természetesen a te tudásod messze túlszárnyalja az én érdeklődésemet).
Ha van kedved, te is ránészhetsz az én írogatásaimra:
http://www.ignotum.eoldal.hu/

További jó honlap menedzselést Szebb Jövőt!

Kitartás!
Anonymus Hungarus

Szép honlap!

(Anonymus Hungarus, 2012.11.06 17:27)

Gratulálok kedves szerkesztőúr!
Nagyon szép lett a honlap, és mindent megtalálok benne az igazi magyar származásról. Örülök, hogy nem csak én foglalkozok a turáni testvériséggel és a magyarok származásával, hagyományával(természetesen a te tudásod messze túlszárnyalja az én érdeklődésemet).
Ha van kedved, te is ránészhetsz az én írogatásaimra:
http://www.ignotum.eoldal.hu/
További jó honlap menedzselést Szebb Jövőt!

Kitartás!
Anonymus Hungarus

keszega@mailbox.hu

(Keszég Attila, 2012.01.12 21:47)

Én csak most találtam rá az oldalra de rögtön szembeötlött, hogy elírta valaki az ékírással írt főcímet. Megmarás helyett megmaradász-t sikerült írni.

Re: keszega@mailbox.hu

(leszerelt, 2012.01.13 03:21)

Köszi az észrevételt, Attila. Már rég várjuk az új fejlécképet, de sajnos még nem jött meg. Még egy kis türelmet kérünk.

Re: Very Interesting!

(leszerelt, 2011.12.23 09:58)

Dear Claudia,

I don't like to comment on other websites or the contents thereof, but will try to answer your questions.

Please bear in mind, that the contents of this site are intellectual products of individual authors, and, except for my own contributions, they are not my claims.

The good news is, you're in good company. Much of the material you read here came from the pens of expat Hungarians such as yourself, who, free from the political prohibitions in their Homeland, were able to draw on research material inaccessible to their Hungarian counterparts.

But, sorting "out such contradictory theories and make some sense of the history herein" is an undertaking that has consumed the lives and careers of many dedicated scholars, often producing meager results. But, that's the nature of research. Just to address such task - strategy, methodology, etc. - would take a whole book. The most us layman can hope for are a few solid facts and a general idea, a foggy mental picture. But, even for that, one must have the drive to seek the truth, and the mental skills needed to detect disinformation.
As a general rule, the more one reads, from every available source, the greater the odds the truth will emerge. However, the volume of information - and disinformation - often makes it hard find solid ground. A method that has a good track record, is to think through every paragraph before moving on to the next, and to ask basic, common-sense questions regarding the material just read. What are the facts? What are the probabilities? Does it make sense? Do claimed human actions mirror human nature? Are the conclusions logical? Do the parts constitute the whole? What is actually proven? What are mere suppositions but masqueraded as findings? Have logical fallacies been slipped into an argument? And so forth. This method should not only help find the truth, but also help develop detective skills and identify disinformation.

Oftentimes, knowing the motives of the author helps orient one's compass. For example, during the Habsburg occupation of Hungary, the German lawyer Hunsdorfer was commissioned by the Austrian Court to take over the Hungarian Academy of Science and, from within, to seek out and destroy all traces of Magyar identity, history and culture. This same aggression on the Magyars continued with the Bolshevik, then later, Communist regime. And, other than appearances, nothing has changed: Today, the Hungarian Academy of Science is still the source of much of the disinformation in respect of Hungarian history.

To my knowledge, the most recent and widely accepted genetic research today is the 2000 Semino, et al. study.
Here's a brief excerpt, insofar as it relates to the Magyars of the Carpathian Basin as the aboriginal people of Europe.
http://www.magyar-megmaradas.eoldal.hu/cikkek/our-history/we--european-aborigines---semino--et-alia--aslo-confirm.html

Good luck with your research.

Very Interesting!

(Claudia, 2011.12.26 06:44)

I appreciate your candor and insight very much.

Is there an email address through which I might correspond with you, or is all correspondence done on this public forum?

Re: Very Interesting!

(leszerelt, 2011.12.26 18:29)

Dear Claudia,

Thank you for the kind words. We try to maintain this site for the benefit of all seekers of truth in general, and our Magyar-Hun brethren in particular. To that end, we encourage our visitors to freely share their knowledge with everyone here through open discussions. What may be naturally intuitive to some, could be new - and valuable - information to others; e. g. the Hungarian spelling of your name, be it written using the relatively new Latin alphabet or the ancient Magyar rovás... Read (right-to-left) here:

http://www.magyar-megmaradas.eoldal.hu/img/picture/177/csalfa.jpg

Although there are scholars among us, we neither claim to know the Truth, nor propagate beliefs. Please feel free to post your observations, concerns or questions here, so that others might benefit from your knowledge, suggest answers, or recommend study material available elsewhere.

If you feel you share our values, your contributions, too, be they merely questions that stimulate interest or well-sourced research data, help confirm the ancient Magyar-Hun motto:

"Uplifting knowledge is the greatest gift a man can have."

Very Interesting!

(Claudia, 2011.12.20 05:09)

I am an American of Hungarian descent (My Maiden surname is Chalfa, I think it was spelled Csalfa before being anglicized) and I find this all very interesting, thank you for your work! I plan to read this entire site and would like to know where I can find more information, I am particularly interested in the Ancient Magyars' religious beliefs.

Thank you for providing this.

Re: Very Interesting!

(leszerelt, 2011.12.21 06:23)

Dear Claudia,

There's more information on the Magyars' - past and present - religious beliefs in the "IN-ENGLISH" section of our sister website,
http://magyarmegmaradasert.hu/in-english

Most of the material on that subject is embedded in scholarly works - archaeology, anthropology, linguistics, history, etc. Consequently, the "Ancient Magyars' religious beliefs" is difficult to study in isolation. Nonetheless, you might find interesting reading, in English, under "Our history," Our language," and "Our beliefs" sub-menus.

In the English-speaking world, more or less distorted remnants of the "Ancient Magyars' religious beliefs" are also found in pre-Roman, pre-Judeo-Chistian Celtic and other, so-called "Scythian," traditions, folklore and mythology; in the pre-Columbian spirituality of North, Central, and South American Native peoples; as well as in English translations of the Vedas.

The 932-page book (translated to English), "Selected Studies in Hungarian History" (ISBN 978-963-7014-30-7), written by 29 researchers also deals with this subject. A. Grandpierre's, "Ancient People of the Royal Magi: The Magyars" (p. 351-381), deals specifically with the Magyars' spirituality, i.e. "cosmic knowledge", and references an extensive bibliography.
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Abstract: http://magyarmegmaradasert.hu/in-english/our-history/1637

Good luck with your research.

Re: Re: Very Interesting!

(Claudia, 2011.12.23 04:44)

Thank you so much for your quick response. During my research I came across this website:

http://esbalogh.typepad.com/hungarianspectrum/2009/11/genetic-markers-in-the-hungarian-population-then-and-now.html

and it takes a somewhat different stance to the one you are claiming here. I am curious, as an American...how can I sort out such contradictory theories and make some sense of the history herein? To be honest, it wouldn't bother me either way, if my ancestry is Sumerian or Mongolian or Finnish or whatever. I am proud of my heritage regardless, and if you go back far enough we are all from North Africa anyway. But I want to know the truth, without having to get a PhD in Hungarian History. So I am curious what your response to that site would be, which uses genetic markers as part of the theory of ancestry.

By the way, I posted this same question on that page and for some reason they did not make it public.

question about turul symbol hungary

(sara, 2011.06.22 11:55)

Hello
I wonder if you are familiar with this and can help me to know more.
I see in some 9th century (900 AD) badges, like one on page link below, that turul hawk is holding in his mouth a feather. I do not find this
in any of the pages I looked at to see why this is. In this badge, the feather on his head is the same as the feather in his mouth. Only I find
on pages about turul and hungary myth, that sometimes he holds the flaming sword.
Are you knowledgeable about any myth that explains why turul is holding a feather?
Thank you, this is the link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Turul_badge_hu.jpg
and also there is another on this website which seems to be national symbol:
http://www.hunmagyar.org/tor/index.html
In this second national symbol, in the birds feet he holds two other symbols. Do you know what they are? One looks like a flower inside
a circle. Sun and moon?
Thank you for any help :) please answer via email below:
Sara runic3 @ juno.com

Re: question about turul symbol hungary

(leszerelt, 2011.06.24 23:18)

Dear Sara,

When you read my reply, please bear in mind, I am neither an archaeologist, an historian or an expert on Hungarian mythology or folk art.

The Turul holding a saber - more recently a sword - in its talons is the traditional and official emblem of the Hungarian Home Defence Force (the military). Variably, the Turul holds the saber in its beak. I don't know how old is the Turul-saber composition in Hungarian art, but Atilla already flew the Turul on his battle banners in the 5th century.

The "badge" you refer to, known in archeology as the "Rakazmai Turul" (the Turul of Rakazma, Szabolcs-Szatmár-Bereg county, Hungary), is one of a pair of hair-tress disks found in one of several Árpád-era graves in 1956. Of the various interpretations of the artwork - all of them pointing to religious symbolism - the most accepted are:

1. The Turul holds the Tree of Life or its branches in its beak, which extend behind its head.

2. The two chicks it holds in its talons are the twin "Magor" (Magyar) and "Hunor" (Hun) people, already mentioned in Nimrod-legends, and retained in Hungarian mythology, folklore, folk art and belief.

The emblem on http://www.hunmagyar.org/tor/index.html webpage appears to be a local rework of a picture of the Rakazmai Turul, where one of the chicks is replaced by the Rosetta (sun-symbol), found on Sumerian and Parthian artifacts, and on the lion's flank in the sanctuary of Ister-Gam (Esztergom, Hungary) castle. The Turul's body is shielded by the current Coat of Arms of Hungary. (I can't make out what the Turul holds in its other talon). I don't know the origin of this rework, but it does not appear to be a rendering of any known artifact or folk art.

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(magyarmegmaradas.eoldal.hu, 2011.06.07 16:40)


For your research project
(Őszkatona, 2011.02.11 22:31)

Dear Rosa,

Badiny, Jós Ferenc was head of the Sumerology department of Buenos Aires Jesuit University, and member of the International Orientalist Congress. He authored 27 books in several languages the most quoted being:

Sumerian Syntax and Agglutination on Asian Languages, (Camberra, 1971)

El Pueblo de Nimrud. Nuevas Orientaciones de las Lenguas Relaciones Intercontinentales (XXXVII. Congreso Internacional, de Americanistas, 1966.).

A megtalált magyar őstörténelem (Australia, 1967).

Etnographical Map of Turanians, and, Signos Cunciformes (Buenos Aires Jesuit University, 1966)

Káldeától ister-gamig, Volumes I, II, and III, Sumir őstörténet (Buenos Aires, 1971)

Professor Badiny passed away in 2007 at age 97.

He successfully argues Mary's and Jesus' lineage in - among his other works - Jézus király - A pártus herceg (Budapest, 1998). In my opinion, the relevant information and quotations are correctly sourced and translated in substance to English in "The Scythian."

I have not found evidence of a bloodline linking any king of Hungary of the last 1100 years to Jesus. According to legend, Hungarians consider Nimrod (c. 5500 BC) the Magyars' patriarch and their first king. (Only the West propagates Vajk, (Stephen I) as Hungary's first king. This claim remains unfounded and appears to be politically motivated.) More research is needed to look farther back, or to establish kinship between Nimrod and Jesus, but there's no shortage of evidence linking the Scythians of the Parthian Empire and the Magyars of Jesus' time, before and after (e.g. Ida Bobula, Origin of the Hungarian Nation, Gainesville, 1966, magyarmegmaradas.eoldal.hu/cikkek/our-history/ak63).

Merriam-Webster defines "Semitic" as "1 : of or relating to the language family that includes Hebrew and Arabic, 2 : of or relating to the Semites", and "anti-Semitic" as "feeling or showing hatred of Jewish people" I cannot speak for others on this site, but I don't consider myself "anti" any language or language family, or "anti" anything relating to the Semites; and I neither feel nor show hatred of any people. Also, I don't know of anyone here who is "anti" any language or shows hatred of any people. To my knowledge, the only material on this site that advances supremacism and contempt for humanity are direct quotations, or references to quotations, from the Hebrew Bible and the Judeo-Christian Bible (e.g. Deuteronomy 7:6, Ezekiel 23:20), which are used here only to exemplify the evils of society.

Good luck with your research.

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(magyarmegmaradas.eoldal.hu, 2011.06.07 16:39)


Jesus
(Rosa Sparovic, 2011.02.11 05:39)

Can you tell me the source of all what you are writing? Did you read in a book nobody knows about? Where it says about Jesus and his mother princes Mary Adiabene Kharax etc etc. I really will like to read those books. Thank you. Ah and hungarians or your first king is family with Jesus also? and who is profesor Badiny Jos Ferenc. Is he alive? Thank. Ah, are you antisemitics also?

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(magyarmegmaradas.eoldal.hu, 2011.06.07 16:38)

Scythians, Bible, questions
(Őszkatona, 2011.02.06 19:33)

Scythians, Bible questions

Dear Rosa,

Thank you for your entry in our GUESTBOOK. I cannot speak for the authors of the study, "The Scythian", nor for the authors of the "Bible," nor comment on your views but, in line with this site's policy, I will try to answer your questions:

You asked, "princes and prince and they allowed their son to be crucified and all that? for what reason? In some cultures, the practice of killing royalty for political reasons goes back thousands of years. It's commonplace even today. Jesus was killed in Judea, at that time a semi-autonomous Roman province. Evidence to date suggests that the Great Sanhedrin of Jerusalem bribed the Roman Prefect, Pilate, to deliver Jesus into the hands of the mercenaries of the Temple of Jerusalem. (See, Tiberius’ letter to Pilate, Editorial Catolica S. A. Madrid, 1975. p. 474). Since Parthian royalty had no political power in Judea, it could not prevent Jesus's torture and death.

"Gabriel a Magi?" The authors source their information in the study. Though the word "Gabriel" is etymologically logical, the source cited is but tradition. Accordingly, and in line with scholarly values, the authors make a point to specify that it is only "very likely" that he was a magi from Sippar. If you have evidence that either supports or refutes that likelihood, please share it with us.

You are wondering if "humanity has been taken for centuries?" In my view, only in the West - which is but a small fraction of humanity (about a quarter). The vast majority of humanity is either aware of the past or has no knowledge of it.

"Geza Vermes and something else?" I am not sure I know what your question is. Since this individual does not support any of his claims - he merely masquerades a collection of similar conjectures as "evidence" - his writings might be entertaining, but not scholarly. Their contribution to knowledge is zero.

Thank you for visiting our site.

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(magyarmegmaradas.eoldal.hu, 2011.06.07 16:35)


Bible
(Rosa Sparovic, 2011.02.06 07:45)

So, according to whoever is in charge of investigate all of this, humanity has been taken for centuries? Lies and lies we all live in? scary, but then, comes the scrolls and Geza Vermes and something else? please, leave the bible alone and do not confuse people. Just behave, be good and pray. We should all focus in a better world for everybody. This is a short life. Just be good. There are so many things written out there: Da Vinci Code,Iluminati, the Masons (my great grandfather from yugoeslavia, my grandfaather, my father,the Ekankar, blabla, leave the bible alone. It is a good guide to be a better person. Thanks

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(magyarmegmaradas.eoldal.hu, 2011.06.07 16:33)


Scythians
(Rosa Sparovic, 2011.02.06 07:27)

Hello! i am from South America,Ecuador. Gee, I was married to a Hungarian for a while and visited your country, Europe, the old world as is called. I was surprised to really see it old. After two world wars I thought to find a new world there. Well, even people in such tiny countries hate eachh other, all of you are so nationalist people. One thing is to be proud to be from here or there but other thing is to feel you are better than the other. It is sad to see how we humans complicate our lifes. We only live what 70 years? We are all related, even with the black africans and the dark gipsies. jesus was the son of a princes and prince and they allowed their son to be crucified and all that? for what reason? Gabriel a Magi? please, makes more sense if he was a jew and his father was a poor carpenter and he was born in a manger and the jews didnt recognize their messiah. It shows us to be humble. Kings, blacks, servants, gypsies, we all will die and be eaten by warms. God will judge us for what we did in this life. Do something more productive instead of worrying where you came from. That was a looooong time ago. Think in the present and help your brothers in need. Do that instead. Think in doing something nice for the world, humanity etc. Please, when you die, who cares where you came from. Peace. Hey, read about Guadalupe, the virgin that appeared to the Mexicans. you will find it interesting.